Infinite Energy, Space Travel... Would this be the greatest

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Re: Infinite Energy, Space Travel... Would this be the great

Postby Linda Brown » Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:02 pm

JESS,

Tell Groot that the Polar Express will be blowing through at nine am.

Stay warm!

Hahaha
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Re: Infinite Energy, Space Travel... Would this be the great

Postby MadMax » Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:07 am

Nate,

One thing that I wanted to ask you about was in your extensive research you mentioned Borderlands Riley Crabb. One VERY interesting story about Linda’s Dad was mentioned in the Borderlands book :

http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Science-Gerr ... 0932813755

Lost Science by Gerry Vassilatos

In the book there is a chapter dedicated to Linda’s Dad doing research on strange “high voltage blackout effects” that he was called into investigate at the Navy arch welding facility during the war (when what ever he was doing was so highly classified) that his Navy service record was “sheep dipped” (as the archivist once mentioned to Linda).

David Wilcox talks about that here:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/ ... ons-part-I

It all began when several Naval researchers were asked to investigate a peculiar phenomenon, which was plaguing a classified arc welding facility. This facility was classified because it protected a new Naval process for fabricating very durable armor plated hulls.

The spot-welding process employed an incredibly intense, high amperage discharge. The process was similar to modern MIG welding, but was conducted on a titanic scale. Electrical power for this welding process was supplied by a massive capacitor bank charged to high voltage. Several steel plates could be thoroughly welded by this process, the metal seams absolutely interpenetrated at the weld points.

What they saw was truly unprecedented. With the electrical blast came an equally intense "optical blackout". The sudden shock of the intense electric weld impulse was indeed producing a mysterious optical blackening of perceptual space, an effect that was thought to be ocular in nature.

Careful examination of the effect before the NRL now proved perplexing. First, the "blackout effect" could be photographed as well as experienced. Therefore it was not a mere neurological response to some mysterious radiance. The blinding discharge was doing something to space itself. Researchers were now drawn into this project with a deep fascination.

The entire proceedings were so highly classified that military agents were not even aware of the study. What workmen told examiners was that their tools and other site materials were "disappearing", and disappearing "for good".

Dr. Brown was requested to examine "the phenomenon". His knowledge of "dielectric stress" phenomena and the activities associated with arc discharges made him a perfect candidate. Keeping him "in the blind" concerning their ultimate hopes for this new discovery would not be easy. He "had a name" for being the dreamer.

In the blackout phenomenon Dr. Brown yet recognized the signs that space distortions were taking place. What was the upper limit in strength of these space distortions? What other bizarre anomalies would they manifest? His own small gravitators operated through high voltages now considered "small".

Associates reviled his thoughts and rejected his analysis of the problem. But the military needed answers. If Dr. Brown could bring them closer to their weapons goal, his explanations would take precedent. Acquiring the complete attention and respect of very highest military specialists, he was asked to formally address their small and elite corps.

Dr. Brown very casually described what he strongly believed was happening, citing his own work and familiarity with such phenomena. While his own experimental apparatus never produced spatial distortions of this extreme intensity and focus, he nevertheless observed similar effects, which had power to move matter.

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I was wondering if you had ever come across any material in your research to corroborate the story about Dr. Brown in Lost Science or where Vassilatos got his information?? If so I am sure we would all be VERY interested in hearing about it..

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Re: Infinite Energy, Space Travel... Would this be the great

Postby Linda Brown » Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:40 am

Can I answer a little bit of this MAX?

I have differing feelings about Vassilatos and his words on my Dad. There is an odd familiarity with what Dad MIGHT have said and thought... as if someone had talked to someone who knew Dad quite well... and I have always suspected that familiarity came from Beau Kitselman .perhaps through his connections with La Jolla and the nearby Borderland Press and thereby Riley Crabb..

this statement has always interested me but I do not think it rings true. "Dr. Brown very casually described what he strongly believed was happening, citing his own work and familiarity with such phenomena. While his own experimental apparatus never produced spatial distortions of this extreme intensity and focus, he nevertheless observed similar effects, which had power to move matter."


... but the positive feelings I had were pretty much dashed when Vasillatos says that my Dad " spent the remainder of his years at Umatillo Florida."

Anyone who actually knew Dad would have known that Dad lived in "Umatilla" Florida during the year 1957.... and certainly was not there at the end of his life....I have been bothered by the fact that this man could speak of what Townsend Brown was THINKING and yet would not know where he was buried.
So I don't quite know how to respond to him.

Plus the fact is that it is relatively difficult to meet and talk with Vassilastos....I have tried to reach out to him several times, to no avail. And that bothers me just a little bit.

So you all decide just how valid that book is....

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Re: Infinite Energy, Space Travel... Would this be the great

Postby nate » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:59 am

Linda Brown wrote:... but the positive feelings I had were pretty much dashed when Vasillatos says that my Dad " spent the remainder of his years at Umatillo Florida."

Anyone who actually knew Dad would have known that Dad lived in "Umatilla" Florida during the year 1957.... and certainly was not there at the end of his life....I have been bothered by the fact that this man could speak of what Townsend Brown was THINKING and yet would not know where he was buried.
So I don't quite know how to respond to him.


Linda and MadMax, I agree. I think I've come across this particular story before (capacitor discharge, blindness, etc) but I've never seen any other proof offered for it. I'd like to believe it's true, but that's also what makes me suspect it; it's too convenient. It fits the mythology too well, yet offers no actual information.

It feels to me as if a few people in the Borderlands 'circle of associates' - as it widened with the 1970s Psychotronic Association scene and then cross-connected after Crabb's departure with the wider UFO/conspiracy scene in the late 80s and 90s, and grew an underground audience hungry for any juicy rumours about MJ-12, Roswell, Philadelphia Experiment, and Townsend Brown - just started making things up, and attaching Townsend's name to help 'sell' a story.

This is why I think Linda's personal recollections are so important, as they can help ground us in specific times and places and associations. We can then look at some of the stories and realise that they're either outright fabrications, or at best exaggerations; we can also look at who's repeating them and judge their credibility as a researcher.

A lot of what passes for 'research' in the underground, sadly, is just reposting rumours. My own 'research' is by no means extensive; it's pretty cursory, just Googling, though I've read a bit of underground material in the past. But I'd like the checkable facts at least to be as accurate as we can get them.

It's interesting that Riley Crabb seemed to think there was a link between Townsend Brown and TPX, even though by what we know the dates simply don't check out - the Browns were in Los Angeles by 1942. I don't think Crabb was a dishonest enough person to outright fabricate something like that; but he may perhaps have been not sufficiently critical about his sources of information. Allen/Allende... does not seem like the most stable witness in the world. That the Navy and Varo were interested in his story doesn't necessarily mean they believed it.

My impression of the TPX mythos is it grew in several stages: (partial reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Experiment )

1. Carl Allen/Carlos Allende and the 1957 Varo Edition of Jessup's 1955 Case for the UFO
2. Riley Crabb's promotion of Allende's story in his 1962 (?) pamphlet "M.K. Jessup, the Allende Letters, and Gravity"
3. Vincent Gaddis' 1963 or 1965 book "Invisible Horizons: True Mysteries of the Sea", based on Crabb's pamphlet
4. Ivan Sanderson's mention of TPX in 'Uninvited Visitors' - apparently the first printing was 1967, not 1970? http://www.bielek-debunked.com/Bieleks%20past.html
5. Simpson and Berger's 1977 ? novel 'Thin Air' based on Crabb's pamphlet and/or Gaddis' book
6. Moore and Berlitz' 1978 'The Philadelphia Experiment' book based on any of Thin Air, Invisible Horizon's, Crabb's pamphlet, Sanderson's research, and/or original "research" / fabrication
7. The 1984 movie 'The Philadelphia Experiment', very loosely based on the 1977 or 1979 books, and bringing in time travel because that was big in Hollywood right then
8. The EXTREMELY unreliable Alfred Bielek's personal time-travel mythology of TPX / Montauk Experiment from about 1989 on, influenced by the 1979 book and 1984 movie and who knows what else. Apparently Bielek knew Sanderson in the 1950s so may have got all his actual facts from him? He was also in the USPA in the late 70s and people recall him being in 'the scene' in the early 70s.
9. Other researchers who have written since, influenced by all of the above, which has become a rich stew of nonsense with some facts tossed in for seasoning

Crabb and Sanderson are interesting to me because both seem to have been close associates of Townsend (if not directly, then no further than two hops, I think). But all other writers I would tend to avoid unless there's some outside confirmation of their version of events.

I'm intrigued by the discovery of Uninvited Visitors being 1967 though, because that would put John Carstoiu's comments to Sanderson about his gravity theory in connection with the 'Bermuda Triangle' in that book in sharper historical context. And would definitely predate Carstoiu's involvement with MRU. 1967, or 1966 perhaps for the interview, would have been even before he published on Electrohydrodynamics - or at least while his papers were in the process of being accepted. And three or four years before Brillouin's death, which was a significant event for him.
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Re: Infinite Energy, Space Travel... Would this be the great

Postby Linda Brown » Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:16 pm

It seems that the importance each of us has in this effort is that we each are vibrating to different " tunes"

You Nate are so good in seeing and investigating people and situations that I have never known about.

Likewise ...( an inside nod to a character in Barfly)

I seem to be missioned with the simple story of simply keeping up with the moves and the personal experiences of meeting those surrounding my Dad at different stages of his life. I am the only one actually that can do this though ... I continue to stress... I have NO real understanding of the science. That's for others to get excited about. I just seem to have this solid urge to uncover the answers.... why did we move from place to place, what was my Dad actually involved with. He knew this would happen I am sure because when I told him that I wanted to start a journal he was very specific about how important it would be in the future and how respectfully I had to treat my efforts...." You will be the moment between the chalk and the eraser" he said and I am beginning to actually see what he meant.

So thank you Nate. While all of you are figuring out the science perhaps I can help by discounting little things... like Vassilatos' mention of Umatillo and replacing it with the solid truth of Dads activities.
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Re: Infinite Energy, Space Travel... Would this be the great

Postby MadMax » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:23 pm

Linda and Nate,

Thank you for the historical perspective on this very “interesting and perplexing” story..

Trying to figure out the kind of technology that Linda’s Dad was involved with during the war made the comment to Morgan than “time travel may be possible within your lifetime” does make an interesting mystery to try and unravel. Also it’s very compelling to try and “connect the dots” as best we can about what he was really working on in the period of time 1942-1944..

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Re: Infinite Energy, Space Travel... Would this be the great

Postby Linda Brown » Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:04 pm

MadMax wrote:Linda and Nate,

Thank you for the historical perspective on this very “interesting and perplexing” story..

Trying to figure out the kind of technology that Linda’s Dad was involved with during the war made the comment to Morgan than “time travel may be possible within your lifetime” does make an interesting mystery to try and unravel. Also it’s very compelling to try and “connect the dots” as best we can about what he was really working on in the period of time 1942-1944..

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That's the true value of anything I might have to say Max... speaking for myself. I can provide family archives which may help point research in certain directions concerning what Dad was doing.

We do know EXACTLY where he was living after he left the Navy. Because the FBI reported the exact address and that matches with a personal letter that he sent to his parents which I now have in my family files. He is quite specific about the house etc and I have photographs... so I know that AFTER the Navy he did indeed " report" to Vega... and some of his notebooks reflect that.... but... how long he stayed is open to questioning. I have written before that it was almost as if Dad " walked in one door" and then after a time... disappeared out a side door.... and he apparently had a " team " assembled. The fact that there were fifteen scientist in this group and that they had use of some specific amount for their research ( 50 million I understand) tells me that this was no backyard project. I have much evidence to trace the 50 million... all of which Dad seemed to have more than just a passing knowledge of... but that's another part of this complicated history.

I do know that in April of 1945 he left his duties near Wonderland Drive and went suddenly on a mysterious journey to return in August of that year... recovering from an injury. Before he arrived home Mother was told to leave the house on Wonderland Avenue and move to a house of her choosing... but she had to leave without saying goodbye to the friends that she had made there...( that by itself tells me that there was something quite secret going on and security regarding Dads whereabouts was high).. She chose Laguna Beach.... which does seem convenient knowing that Beau Kitselmans home was in nearby La Jolla and he was one of the scientists who had been working with Dad before his unexplained trip. They apparently picked up on their association when Dad returned but it was not at Vega... wherever this next "lab" it would have been close to where Dad was working.

But then Dads next move was to take his entire existing family to the Island of Kaui where we were basically " left" in a safe place until the " demonstration" at Pearl Harbor in 1950 where Dad seemed to then intentionally then break into the clearing... openingly talking about " flying discs" and possible flying saucer propulsion systems. Obviously he knew that the FBI was watching him closely.

and I have wondered why it was that they seemed to zero in for what turned out to be a tour of several years for the agents involved. They finally closed the case... saying that they had not been able to find anything negative regarding Dads activities. But they certainly seemed to be thinking the absolute worst of him from their files....and watched his activities carefully. I have wondered if Beau Kitselman was also under the same scrutiny.

Kind of a long rant here but no one in the public realm of writers about Electrogravity seems to actually know where Dad was... both during the span of time that he walked out of that side door at Vega after 1942...... and what he actually did when he left us on that island and then was " in the wind" for all of the years before that 1950 demonstration. He was doing something important... the work demonstrated at Barbers Point did not spring immediately out of thin air...

And why after all of that work would the FBI mention the " flying discs and the " communications device" but then years later never mention the communication device again?

Leap frogging to 1964 and hearing " Morgan"s words to Dad... well then... this would be a communications system that no one else could hear, right?" Or words close to that....

Just a lot of dots to put together.

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Re: Infinite Energy, Space Travel... Would this be the great

Postby nate » Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:34 pm

MadMax wrote:Linda and Nate,

Thank you for the historical perspective on this very “interesting and perplexing” story..

Trying to figure out the kind of technology that Linda’s Dad was involved with during the war made the comment to Morgan than “time travel may be possible within your lifetime” does make an interesting mystery to try and unravel. Also it’s very compelling to try and “connect the dots” as best we can about what he was really working on in the period of time 1942-1944..


Hi Max. It is intriguing, isn't it? And time travel has been an early part of the mythology in 'the scene', which startled me quite a bit when I found that theme reoccurring in Linda's version of events.

My first experience of the 'Mirror World' was reading Moore/Berlitz' 1978 'The Philadelphia Experiment', which didn't mention time travel at all. My next, I think - perhaps after some 80s UFO books - was reading David Hatcher Childress' 1985 'The Antigravity Handbook', which most certainly did include time travel. And I've been curious to know why ever since.

The 'scene' writer in Antigravity Handbook who first attracted my interest - he mashed up the "Searle Effect' and Biefeld-Brown Effect', both of which come from Schraffranke ('Biefeld-Brown Effect' via the 1952 Mason Rose article) with time travel - was William P Donavan, who seems to have a book here. I'm interested to find out more about him.

http://www.lulu.com/shop/william-donava ... 30645.html
William Donavan had a strange experience in the 1980's (a small motor appeared to move a much heavier test jig) whilst working in the engineering laboratory of a company in North Illinois. Unable to explain the phenomenon Donavan became interested in the research done into anti-gravity effects by T. Townsend Brown, Paget, Dean,
and others.

Over time he became well informed on these subjects and began to contribute articles and essays to a number of periodicals.


Oh, here he is. http://academysacredgeometry.com/facult ... ll-donavan

Bill Donavan was born in Chicago, Illinois to Patrick Donavan, an Engineer, and Virginia, who was a nurse in the Navy and also worked as an electronic technician for Teletype Corporation.

His background is in Electronics, having worked in the Lab in both Emerson Electric and Linear Corporation in Illinois.
He later moved to Georgia, and was the Plant Manager for Snyder Company, a paint and furniture finish manufacturer. When the plant closed, he did consulting work, helping inventors with various engineering problems. He also was the Editor for The Truth Newspaper, a publication that featured articles that the mainstream media would not cover.
He has authored one self-published book, "Glimpses of Epiphany", and contributed to other publications such as "The Antigravity Handbook", as well as others. He also wrote the search engine for the database version of "The Emerging Energy Science", a bibliography on alternative energy published by PACE (Planetary Association for Clean Energy).

Today Bill is still doing consulting work with independent inventors, and collaborates with the Implosion Group as well as Quantum Resonance Technologies and TBT, which is located in Texas. He also works with Tenth Row Studios & Productions, which does special event photography and videography.


Donavan strikes me as an honest reporter, and I wonder if he's ever seen any success from any of his speculations. And if he knows where those time travel rumours first came from in the early 80s? Stelle is in Illinois ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stelle,_Illinois ), so I'm guessing he connected with Childress and/or Richard Kieninger there. I wonder if Kieninger's Theosophical / Contactee mythos included time travel, or did it come from another source?

More on Kieninger's origins: he studied at the Lemurian Fellowship in Ramona, California. That's where he got the 'Stelle' name from! From Robert Stelle, not from, as I'd assumed, 'star'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemurian_Fellowship

The Lemurian Fellowship was founded in Chicago in 1936 by Dr. Robert D. Stelle, a teacher, author, and physician,[2][3][4][9][10] and Howard Zitko, his associate.[10] After moving briefly to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and then Chula Vista, California, the Fellowship relocated near Ramona, California, to get away from the pressures and distractions of the city, but also have the advantages of being near a major city, San Diego.[1][8] The Fellowship is registered as a nonprofit, non-stock, religious corporation under California law,[2][4][5][6][8] and is overseen administratively by a board of governors.[2][4][6][8]


According to the Fellowship, the Lemurian Philosophy was revealed to Stelle[6][11] by highly advanced men and women, called Masters or Elder Brothers.[3][8] The Philosophy is said to have formed the foundation of the so-called Mukulian civilization on the legendary continent of Mu (also known as Lemuria) now covered by the Pacific Ocean.[1][2][8][12][13] This lost continent is considered incompatible with the theory of plate tectonics,[14] the standard theory describing movement of the earth’s lithosphere accepted by most,[15][16] but not all,[17][18][19] earth scientists. Nonetheless, the Lemurian Philosophy points to various megalithic structures and other features on various Pacific Islands, and in South America and Asia, as indications that the continent and an advanced civilization did at one time exist.[8][11][20]


And here's Childress himself in 1986, writing about the origins of the Lemurian Fellowship and Stelle:
http://the-ultimate-frontier.org/commun ... ection.htm

David Childress December 14, 1986
Two years ago I interviewed Howard John Zitko, co-founder of the Lemurian Fellowship, as I was curious as to the truth behind the Fellowship and his relationship with Dr. Stelle. Furthermore, I was curious as to just who was Dr. Stelle, anyway?


The beginning of the Lemurian Fellowship really begins with the meeting of two people, Dr. Robert D, Stelle, a fiction writer who specialized in Westerns (his best known book was “A Cowboy in Africa” later made into a film starring Chuck Connors in the mid-60s, some fifteen years after Dr. Stelle’s death. As far as I know, he was given no credit), and Howard John Zitko, who was a young man from Wisconsin. At the time Dr. Stelle was in his fifties or so, and Howard John Zitko was 23 (?). Zitko celebrated his 75th birthday in the autumn of 1986, hence, he was born in 1911.
It was the early 30s (1934-35), and Zitko, who claims to have “Egoic Memory” of Lemuria, was writing a social novel of economics, social values, and politics based on advanced concepts of socialism.

Whether Zitko as a young man truly had “Egoic Memory” of his former lives in Lemuria, no one at this point can really say. However, he did grow up in Wisconsin, the only State of the U.S. to have a Socialist government. Furthermore, Zitko lived through the Depression in Wisconsin, a State whose economy and socialistic policies were working well at the time. These factors must certainly have been powerful influences on Zitko’s concepts of politics and economics. Furthermore, he was familiar with such occult books as, A Dweller on Two Planets by Phylos the Thibetan,” the Churchward “Mu” books, and other occult books, which dealt with ancient civilizations and their supposed advanced societies and technology.


No time travel, as far as I can see; just standard millennial-apocalyptic vaguely Christian / Eastern / New-Age concepts of Atlantis, reincarnation, devastating earth changes to occur in 2000 (nope), setting up a commune, etc. A bit sad when you look at it.

The original Lemurian Fellowship still exists, btw:
http://www.lemurianfellowship.org/faq/

But here's Kieninger on his conception of physics, which probably explains Childress' fascination with Schraffranke, who also seemed to be obsessed with toroidal ether vortexes:

http://the-ultimate-frontier.org/cosmol ... mology.htm
Basic Particles

The axis of a top that's spinning will have a slight wobble which rotates slowly in a direction opposite to that of the top's spin, and it's called a precessional wobble. The axis of the Earth also has a precessional wobble which takes about 26 thousand years to complete one cycle. We see a top and the Earth as solid bodies; but when we get down to the sub-atomic level of electrons, protons, and photons of electromagnetic energy, they are not solid at all. These tiny so-called particles are but swirls of energy. Perhaps the best way to visualize them is like the way a smoke ring looks as the eddies of air describe a doughnut-shaped form.

All matter and all energy are comprised of such structures. They are really just eddies in what is called “basic energy”. Another term for basic energy is the Ether, which acts like a non-particulate, frictionless fluid. Eddies that travel in a straight line comprise electromagnetic energies, which move at the speed of light. Eddies which rotate in orbits comprise matter.

In addition to being this doughnut-shaped eddy, so-called particles of matter tumble around in their orbits, which makes it difficult to imagine one as appearing quite like a top or the Earth since these latter two are gyroscopically stable in comparison.

Light exhibits a curious behavior in that it seems like particles at times and like waves at other times. As a photon of light (one of these tiny doughnut-shaped eddies) travels through space at the speed of light, it runs up against an inherent barrier in the Ether of which it is formed. The net result is that the photon is annihilated into a waveform, which spreads out as a wave of electrical force in one direction and as a magnetic force that spreads in another direction at 90 degrees to the electric wave. These two waves then collapse back in upon themselves to form the doughnut-shaped ring again. It chatters along through space in this way by alternating rapidly between a ring-shaped “particle” and an electro-magnetic waveform, which it can do for billions of years. The higher the energy that originally drove the photon, the more frequently it bucks against the upper speed limit imposed by the Ether, giving the photon wave a higher frequency and a shorter wavelength.


Is this at all sensible? I don't know. 'Ether vortex' certainly was the mainstream physics idea before Einstein, and is now considered solidly discredited. But it's an image that reoccurs in a lot of 'visionary' or 'contactee' physics (or pseudo-physics, as it usually doesn't come with equations attached); and while I'm not sure if Townsend Brown had this idea, a lot of later writers who were attracted to Townsend's publically-available notes and patents seemed to find in Townsend a kindred spirit. Or thought they did. Certainly some of Townsend's thinking seems to support an 'ether' idea, but... nothing about this story ever seems to be quite that simple.

One of the main physical points of conflict is that, 'time travel' generally is based on General Relativity *, while 'ether physics' expicitly denies GR and usually assumes some kind of absolute time. And yet people who are interested in 'ether physics' often also claim that it is the secret to time travel. There's no obvious way to get from A to B, in my mind, unless both are simplifications or confusions of some deeper C.

* There's a caveat, though. The conception of time as 'the fourth dimension' - which implies the possibility of two-way motion in the 'time dimension' - actually way predates Einstein; I'd point at Hamilton's quaternions, in 1843, as the first entry of 4-dimensionality into scientific thinking. While Relativity's hyperbolic Minkowski space is NOT compatible with quaternion mathematics, it came a lot later. Even H G Wells' 'The Time Machine', which popularised (even created?) the concept of time travel, was 1895 - 10 years before Special Relativity.

Tom Bearden is one of the earliest modern writers (post-1960s) who pointed at quaternions as a possible 'missing equation' for electrogravity, but his claims either from the perspective of history-of-science or mathematics or demonstrated effects don't really check out. So far, quaternion electromagnetics remains an off-the-map subject for mainstream physics; apparently it simply doesn't compute. But I do find the history of quaternions personally intriguing. It's one of those hugely influential but mostly 'erased' bits of maths that doesn't get mentioned much because it's sort of considered an embarrassing dead end. And if there's one thing today's high-pressure achievement-oriented worlds of maths or science don't like, it's to think about or be in any way associated with 'failures'; which is a great pity as that's how we learn.

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Re: Infinite Energy, Space Travel... Would this be the great

Postby fruitbat » Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:29 am

I like that model of light, and if it is correct it suggests to me that in addition to the well known photovoltaic cell, it should be possible to make a photomagnetic cell!

I think I just invented fridge magnets that fall off in the dark...

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