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Electrogravitic discussions

Postby ecker2011 » Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:00 pm

I am going to start this thread in hopes to help people learn more about electrogravitic’s propulsion. It is hoped that when you post what you post is done in a positive and cordial manner. There is no attempt to look down on people or to put words in their mouths. There should be a straightforward cordial discussion of this technology.

It has been stated by others that they believe that it is the negative plate of the triangular lifter’s that is causing the main force. Now what I think it is causing to think this is a first feel the breeze coming off of the lifter and it is always thought of as being ion wind. This is been disproven by simply putting an Asymmetric capacitor in high vacuum. Here is a video of that experiment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGN65lse5yE

I will try to do my best in answering questions. Please excuse me if I tend to sometimes get frustrated with people who do not understand what I am trying to say. So if you have a question and you’re not certain about what I have said please let me know I will try to rephrase it better the next time. I am not the all-knowing electrogravitic’s specialist. Once you start understanding the technology it will start to seem very simple to you, that is where I have gotten to.

So I look forward to some very good discussions here.

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Re: Electrogravitic discussions

Postby Linda Brown » Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:22 pm

The best things are the simplest.... but understanding them takes some time. I appreciate what you are trying so hard to do here Jess. This is good!
This was my first blush reaction to reading what you had written here......

"Whoa Jess for just a moment. Be careful how you phrase your words here..."

It has been stated by others that they believe that it is the negative plate of the triangular lifter’s that is causing the main force. Now what I think it is causing to think this is a first feel the breeze coming off of the lifter and it is always thought of as being ion wind. This is been disproven by simply putting an Asymmetric capacitor in high vacuum. Here is a video of that experiment.

Tell me you can say that ion momentum transfer has been disproven? The sentences run together and thats not what you meant....... look carefully at what you actually said... thats confusing... I hate the English language because stuff like this happens all the time!... I know what you are trying to say here .... that there is MORE happening with a lifter than that cooling breeze that others feel....BUT ITS STILL THERE.... if you remove the atmosphere THEN OTHER things becomes more apparent..... but read again what you wrote above. Can you see how it can be misread?

Its not your fault.

Dr. Edward Teller looked right at this thing.....and flatly declared that he did not understand it.....so the chore here is to prove to the people that KNOW TOO MUCH that this is something OUTSIDE of the knowledge that they believed to be the solid truth. This is an anomaly.....and those are tough to describe.

And even the sillyest twist of the English language and our perceptions can make all this difficult when it should not be.

Kisses on your nose...I am with you 100% and I think others will be too as soon as they realize that this is such a difficult task. All I am trying to do here is stay ahead of the translation problems!

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Re: Electrogravitic discussions

Postby ecker2011 » Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:30 pm

Linda I do realize that you are not able to see YouTube video at this time I hope later that you will be able to view the video.
This has nothing to do with the breeze that you will feel coming from it. Most people interpret this as what is causing the lifter to lift off of the table.
It is misinterpreted as being thrust. By putting it in a vacuum it shows that it is not the wind is causing it to move but that there is a another force that is causing this.
The wind part of it is excellent for the ionic air purifiers and you do get this nice cooling breeze from it. But when you get into the idea of propulsion that is not a factor.

What I have stated about the negative plate is that it alone is not what is causing the movement of the lifter. It takes both the positive plate and the negative plate because the movement.
One of the other alone will not do it. It gets into the part of understanding what warp propulsion really is. In this fact the combined combination of both place is causing a distortion of the fabric of space itself
located locally around the lifter. I I know there have been discussions here stating that it is a push and not a pull and maybe the fact the thinking is a push is misinterpreted as the negative plate is causing all motion.
I try to tell people think of a surfer on a surfboard writing away. That is the best description of what is occurring. I do realize I don't always describe things in a way were others can understand what I'm trying to say.
Sorry about that I do try but I have to say the way I see things is quite different than others. So please bear with me I will try to do better.

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Re: Electrogravitic discussions

Postby Linda Brown » Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:37 pm

Right! It is not "blowing itself upward".... but the " breeze" makes it SEEM that what is happening....see.... even that is a hard thing to try to sell.... because people will automatically say..." But see! Its got to be the movement of the air! I can feel it myself! Its obvious!"

No, as Jess is trying to say here.... nothing about this unit is really obvious.

My Dad tried to tell me that what he was dealing with was alot like looking at a pony and a draft horse. The pony would have been the electrohydrodynamics ( the fan.....air purifier) where the Electrogravitic Effect was more the Draft horse... able to do so much more than the silly pony... Massive ....the real moving force in propulsion....

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Re: Electrogravitic discussions

Postby ecker2011 » Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:39 pm

The statement you made about Dr. Teller is a good example where many of those who were trained in universities worked hard and receive their PhD's
are set in a standard set of beliefs and when something new comes along that goes against what they have been taught or believed to be correct they have difficulty with it.
All I can say is it must've been really fascinating to see his expression. As you know I think I actually had an indirect contact with him some years ago before he passed away.
With a lady who came down to my display table at a conference here in the Bay Area and talk to me about what I was displaying which was all about your father's work.
She had told me that she took care of an elderly gentleman scientist who lived at Stanford University. But she would not tell me who he was. It was about a year and a half later
that on TV it was reported of his passing and that he had lived at Stanford University. I do believe that he is the one she was talking about.

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Re: Electrogravitic discussions

Postby Linda Brown » Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:55 pm

He is the same man who once said ( with General Curtis LeMay standing beside him nodding)...." Show me a mountain and I will show you a hole."

Now.... THATS scarey.

But thats the kind of mentality that had complete control of the military and scientific sides at one time.

Changes happen slowly.

Curtis LeMay once stood up on a wobbly lab stool to change a lightbulb for Dad in our laboratory in Santa Monica. See..... maybe.... things can slowly change.

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Re: Electrogravitic discussions

Postby Linda Brown » Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:00 pm

Keep working hard at this Jess... and for those reading.... PLEASE... if you misunderstand please say something.

And a very good technique is to say first...." Now let me repeat what I understand that you said........" MANY TIMES..... WHAT YOU THINK YOU HAVE HEARD IS NOT WHAT WAS ACTUALLY SAID.

Repeat your understanding of what was stated first..... and make sure that the two of you are still on the same page and then go from there. Its a technique that Dad used all of the time with us and it sure helped so I suggest that we use that style here.......

Go Forth!.

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Re: Electrogravitic discussions

Postby fruitbat » Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:09 pm

Going to send you a PM Jess, rather than mess up your thread too much, and also because I still can't seem to post pix here.

I obviously did not communicate what I know very well without drawing it up, and from what you say, I don't think you've seen the experiment I keep wittering on about.
Feel free to reproduce any or all of my PM if you find it is helpful, or even interesting and relevant to the thread..

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Re: Electrogravitic discussions

Postby ecker2011 » Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:34 pm

Fruitbat was having difficulties last night with his computer and asked me to post this information that he sent me.

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Shows the thing I have been trying to describe to you that I saw a few years back.
I've drawn a standard lifting element on the LHS, and the thing I saw on the right hand side.

When the guy applied the HT, FIRST the aluminium cylinder moved until the lower surface hit the crossmember THEN the frame moved in the direction we are familiar with.

IF I have now sucessfully communicated what I saw, then maybe you can see why a simple observer might come to the conclusion that the prime mover is the lower element of the lifter?

Are we yet on the same page?


Fruitbat I do remember seeing this video that you are talking about but this is how I understood what the lifter was doing in this video.
If you've noticed that the distance between the wire, positive plate, and the aluminum foil, negative plate, in normal lifters must be a certain distance, about 30 mm.
If you get this dimension wrong the lifter really does not function properly. What I believe it is doing is the aluminum which is attached in a tube fashion but not permanently attached to the
crossmember of the lifter is attempting to correct that distance before it actually then list the lifter off the table. But I do understand how you can be misled by a.
A lot of what they were doing that video was interesting because it stabilized the lifter. As you noticed and it that it went straight up and straight down but if you fly one of the lifters that are not like this
they are essentially all over the place and you must tether them to keep them stationary in one place.

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You'll notice in this picture what the gap between the positive and negative plates must be.

Another little thing because of this movement and it may or may not actually apply to this is if you have a capacitor, your positive plate and your negative plate with your dielectric material which is loose
so that it can move back and forth between the two plates. By placing the dielectric material slightly to the right or left and then applying voltage to the plates it will pull out dielectric material in so that is
between the two plates properly.

I hope this might explain some of it to you.

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Re: Electrogravitic discussions

Postby ecker2011 » Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:04 pm

Last night I was thinking about the discussion that Linda and I were having about the breeze that comes off of these lifters.
Plus that is the same Reza comes out of the ionic air purifiers. What is causing this to occur?

The principal behind electrogravitic's with the use of capacitors like this is that the positive plate of course is creating this gravity well
and the negative plate of course is creating a gravity Hill. The two combined are creating a gravity wave. Now what is important is
that really makes this work is the pulsing of the DC current. Essentially it is like turning a light switch on and off rapidly.
Now to get to this idea of the wind that is being produced. This pulsing creates a wavelike action that is taking place locally around the lifter.
It would be much like if you took a Japanese hand band opened it and fanned yourself with. The fan is moving up and down creating this breeze
that you feel. The wave action is essentially doing pretty much the same thing. It is moving the air that is closest to it but if you're in a vacuum
there is no air there to be moved so that breeze would not occur. And yet you still get movement so this kind of proves that that breeze that I was feeling
is not actually the cause of lifting the lifter off the table.

I thought this might be more useful explanation as to what is occurring.

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