Billy Meier

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Re: Billy Meier

Postby Sinny » Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:58 pm

Firstly, I'm kicking myself for starting this subject whilst I'm only on mobile device.
I took a brief pause for which to consider how best to approach this with limited patience for awkward typing.

In order to place my conclusions in competent context would require a small thesis, something I obviously cannot produce in this moment. Instead I'll attempt to breifly outline the context, and hopefully you'll see the implications of my conclusions.

Billy Meier is reportedly a small town switz farm boy who enlisted himself in the French Foreign Legion for adventures sake, and found himself taking part in all sorts of adventures including the discovery of the Talmud Jmannuel, (a biblical era manuscript that offered revionist Christian history), and his life long contacts with 'Pleidian' 'space brothers'.

Blah blah blah...


The fact is, I studied the Meier case for three years, first as a believer, then later through the perception of the skeptic I became. As much as I found endless amounts of falsifictions and deception.. There remained the unexplainable enigmas.

The question became, how are there real enigma's is this farcisty of a case?

To fully grasp my perception of these enigmas and falsifications, I offer the following:

An Open Letter to the UFO community - by Gary Kinder. (March 6th 1987).
http://www.merkabaweb.net/ANTIGRAVITY.txt

(You'll have to scroll down).

I discovered Gary's letter after I had deteremined that the case had a real mix of enigma's, and yet was obviously mixed with hoax material. As Gary goes on to outline, the enigmas were very much real and validated, for example the metal sample that was examined by Marcel Vogal of IBM, who concluded that the metal samples were vey much new to him at the field at that time.

Other forces at work adamantly denied that Vogal had reached these conlusions, even Vogal himself denied the analysis to other investigators, at the time of Gary Letters in 1987, Gary maintained that he knew Vogal had made such statements and that there was video footage of him making the statements.

It wasn't until many years later the footage did surface, and can now validate the claims of Gary Kinder.
The footage can now be found on youtube.

Apart from that there was footage of a real 'anti-gravity' flying machine in operation. This was also analysed and found to be genuine. This event was quickly obscured by other fake video's and fake flying 'saucers', such as the 'wedding cake' ufo, one which was rediculously constructed like a cheap wedding cake)

Then there was sound analysis which determined sounds were being emitted that were currently unknown to any sound specialists at that time.

The list goes on although not extensively.

Other aspects of the Billy Meier case were quite obviously ficticious, fake, and hoaxed in every sense of the words.

But the question still remains as to why we had two opposites occuring at once?

It is my opinion that Billy was indeed having contact with somebody, and it wasn't long before the alphabet agencies came along and saw to it they manipulted the situation.

Whoever was initially contacting Billy had every intention of creating a CULT and a belief system.
They gave Billy some strange experiences indeed.
The Wendelle Stevens and co came over to investigate, and ultimately became Billy's US HANDLERS.
(Stevens has a whole history of his own regarding this sort of assignment!).
It was Stevens, Elders and Winters who all coopted Meier initially in order to propagate there own New Age agenda back home in the states).

Somebody was running their own psychological warfare games in Switzerland, and the Americans had to investigate, naturally.

Once the American's came in meddling (as did a few other agencies and nations), we began to see the walls crumble around what had initially been a simple script.

You need to go back and read Meiers material as it came in order to distinguish the stages outside involvement.

It is clear from the material the was distributed that the 'Pleidian' agenda had changed outwardly at least 4 times.

This left all the 'believers' in utter confusion as to what the hell?!

But when the case is viewed through the eye's of somebody trying to figure out intelligence, counter-intelligence and psywarfare it all makes perfect sense.

I realise there's a lot of holes in the above, I will fill in the blanks when I get to PC.

I'm currently endeavoring to prove/disprove rumours that Billy was an agent himself (which wouldn't surprise me given all the names attached to this scenario - his early involvement with the Talmud influenced the new age community a great deal).

The story as we know it is a hoax, but depending on what your setting out to prove or disprove, there's no doubt in my mind somebody showed him a real flying saucer.
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Re: Billy Meier

Postby Linda Brown » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:56 pm

Sinny...

I completely agree with you on Billy Meier.

I also believe that George Adamski saw something solid... and in fact I do believe that he was " given a ride".... What that " thing" actually was.... and what it represented.... has yet to be explained. But I believe that Adamski went with this new situation....voluntarily.

His story about Venusians? Disinformation? Of course. But on whose behalf?

Thank you for your impressions Sinny. You are certainly much better versed in all of this. I haven't got time to learn what you already know, I am sure.

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Re: Billy Meier

Postby Sinny » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:52 am

Interesting anecdote - The first US investigative team sent over was called INERCEP.

Not to different from their motivations of INTERCEPTion haha.
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Re: Billy Meier

Postby Linda Brown » Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:20 pm

Anyone reading that word will automatically add the needed letter to make it INTERCEPT. Computers do it all of the time and the brain is one of the best.

I am especially impressed that you have spent three years studying this man. I have barely given him a once over but I know... as you do... that the "anomalies" that are presented here are the whiff of that very elusive fox of the story that we seem to all be after.

Mr. Twigsnapper used to brag on all of us here on the Forum ( and those other investigators who hadn't even come in our direction yet) as the " fine foxhounds" that he admired so much.

I learned alot about foxhounds from the man. Did you know that George Washington started a pack of hounds in Virginia that are still referred to today as the " Fairfax hounds" and that one of his personal favorites was one he called " Sweet Lips?" He also brought some French bloodlines in to increase the range and stamina of the Virginia pack.... and the one thing that they have been known for is their ability to discern the very faint scent of the fox.... the thing that they were supposed to be hunting.... from the random scents and even wild trail bait thrown across their path to draw them away. Red Herring is an expression for just that kind of situation.

But here is the problem for future generations of lovely hounds. When things changed to " drag " hunts..... the prey scent was changed to a stinking bag of whatever that was dragged across the countryside before the hunt horsemen gathered. It was safer of course..... the masters of the Hunt would know where the hounds would actually be going. There would be no surprises because actually there never was a fox involved.

Does that all sound familiar?

So when a man like Mr. Twigsnapper calls us all a " fine pack of old Fairfax Hounds" he is giving us rare and wondrous praise. I intend to live up to that and not let him down.

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Re: Billy Meier

Postby Sinny » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:23 pm

Never been a fan of Fox Hunting myself - at the risk of offending any hunters here, I'd like to see the person in the saddle getting hunted by their own hounds.
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Re: Billy Meier

Postby Sinny » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:24 pm

Linda Brown wrote:Anyone reading that word will automatically add the needed letter to make it INTERCEPT. Computers do it all of the time and the brain is one of the best.

I am especially impressed that you have spent three years studying this man.


Ah, sometimes things become an obsession for me.
Once I've started I rarely stop until I'm met by a dead end.
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Re: Billy Meier

Postby Linda Brown » Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:05 pm

hahahaha... I wouldn't know what that is like ..... hahahahsah

Regarding foxhunting. I do agree with you. They don't call it a bloodsport for nothing.
(though to be fair.... in George Washingtons day.... foxes were a huge problem...they just turned the control of them into an exhausting and dangerous sport.)

I know personally that one fox in Loudoun County came all the way UPSTAIRS into our apartment (which was built over the old carriage house).... grabbed my pet rabbit right out of the box where I had him in the living room and carried it screaming away. Nothing as bad as hearing your pet rabbit screaming. I signed on when I could and paid the cap fee as a guest rider with that hunt as often as I could. I was just a junior rider on a borrowed horse.... but I was after that fox.

I don't think they ever caught him. You always knew that you had lined up on that particular fox because he would lead the hounds over the highway....... or into and out of a Bull Mastifs yard. THAT was interesting.

I am not sure when they officially went to " drag hunting" ... much more civilized.

But the allegory to what we are seeing here is apt as far as leading away from the real foxes lair.
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Re: Billy Meier

Postby Sinny » Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:19 pm

Linda Brown wrote:hahahaha... I wouldn't know what that is like ..... hahahahsah

Regarding foxhunting. I do agree with you. They don't call it a bloodsport for nothing.
(though to be fair.... in George Washingtons day.... foxes were a huge problem...they just turned the control of them into an exhausting and dangerous sport.)

I know personally that one fox in Loudoun County came all the way UPSTAIRS into our apartment (which was built over the old carriage house).... grabbed my pet rabbit right out of the box where I had him in the living room and carried it screaming away. Nothing as bad as hearing your pet rabbit screaming. I signed on when I could and paid the cap fee as a guest rider with that hunt as often as I could. I was just a junior rider on a borrowed horse.... but I was after that fox.

I don't think they ever caught him. You always knew that you had lined up on that particular fox because he would lead the hounds over the highway....... or into and out of a Bull Mastifs yard. THAT was interesting.

I am not sure when they officially went to " drag hunting" ... much more civilized.

But the allegory to what we are seeing here is apt as far as leading away from the real foxes lair.


Got to say I'd be quite pissed if a fox got my pet Rabbit :twisted:

I can deal with the circle of life though.. Just not when human interrupt it.
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Re: Billy Meier

Postby Linda Brown » Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:59 pm

Again we agree. But when THAT particular fox grabbed my baby rabbit.... he went outside his particular circle!

but to get back to Billy Meier and all " channeled" messages. I have to admit not understanding..... though maybe I have seen something similar happening with my Dad. Especially during the summer of 1957 he was writing patent applications. I know because I was there helping mother type them. She and I worked in shifts because once he started dictating he would not stop and we had to keep up with him so as not to break his " train of thought" And those patent applications were difficult but he never made adjustments or edited what he had said. He just started talking and he kept that up until he was finished. It was actually as if he was seeing the finished paper in his head.

Smith has told me that Dad would sometimes do what he called " automatic writing at a blackboard" but I never saw Dad do that. I suppose he knew that I would just be WAY too curious about that activity.

And of course the first thing that I would think is.... not that its so special that people would be getting information from elsewhere. What I would ask myself is .... HOW IS THAT INFORMATION BEING SENT? How can identical messages be sent to different people? What makes the person getting the message at all able to receive it? Who types up the master sheet then..... if people all over are REALLY getting the SAME message.

Of course it would be important to discount the validity of " Channeling" because if the public took it too seriously... they would be like a pack of good hounds asking questions and not accepting the false trails.

My humble opinion of course.

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Re: Billy Meier

Postby Sinny » Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:59 pm

In my opinion It's the same collective energy that all these channelers are channeling... And this energy is using many individuals to communicate the very same message, just packaged slightly differently.

The tid-bit about your dad interests me, my initial reaction would now to be to try and find out how and where your dad would have developed such skills. (Because you do need to work for it).

Alas, I already know, if the information was there, I would have found It by now.
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